The Mortgage Meltdown Crisis; something really is better than nothing.
Written by ekg on November 28, 2008 – 5:20 pm -I had a very interesting conversation with my Tony Soprano mortgage company the other day. With the layoff and the client list dwindling, I’m paying about 65% of my income to my mortgage. Yeah I know, which is why I’ve been keeping up with all the socialistic mortgage aid programs. Think what you want about me but I’m not afriad to admit when I’m wrong or ask for help when I need it.
So the phone call when something like…
“Hello Mr. Soprano, this is EeKay Gee, how are you today?”
“Well Mrs. Gee, if you would stay on time with your payments I would be better.”
“That is exactly why I called…. I believe I have a solution to both of our problems.. I found a program that goes into effect on December 15, the plan is a basically a loan modification. These are already in existance for hardships, but this is a streamlined version that gets the process started and over with in a matter of minutes.”
A loan Modification can be for many purposes, but basically what they are is the borrower asking the lender for either some plan to repay their past arrearages over time, a reduction in the price that they pay or a payment deferment for X amount of time.
In order to get approved for a loan modification the borrow has to jump through many hoops like a
good little poodle. There is a hardship letter explaining why you want a loan modification and what you would like that modification to be. Past years tax returns,full financial statements including 401k,retirements,annuities,insurance benefits,bank statements,letters from your boss,medical records, stock and bond statements,pay stubs,disability,unemplyment-retirement and/or Social Security benfits you have applied for… and finally a credit check.
Because anyone asking for a loan modification is sure to have steller credit.
The new streamline approach forgives all of that and asks for 3 simple things,
- that you are able to pay no more than 38% of your income
- that you certify your gross monthly wages
- that you haven’t filed for bankruptcy
easy peasey-pudding pie.
“You see Mr. Soprano, this new system makes it all so much faster and easier.”
“Yeah, but Mrs. Gee this is for Fannie,Freddie and Indymac mortgages only.. By the way,Big Pussy will be stopping by your house later tonight.”
“Mr. Soprano, I’d love to have Pussy for dinner, but while this plan is only mandated for Fredddie,Fannie and IndyMac, many other major lenders are following the same plan. The FDIC is recommending all lenders, including private ones such as yourself, follow the plan.”
The plan is not only easy-peasy in it’s application, it’s simple in it’s problem solving abilities. The lender will rework the loan to make sure the borrower is not paying anymore than 38% of their income, there are various way to do this, as this .pdf explains. Lowering the interest rates and extending the term of the mortgage are just a couple of options. The idea is to keep people in their homes at a payment they can afford and keep the mortgage company from losing more and more money when borrowers default.Which leave their homes vacant and all the unsold homes bringing the market down even farther.
“Mr. Soparno, if you would lower my interest rate from 13% to 6 percent for 5 years and then raise that interest 1% a year until it reaches the Freddie Mortgage Survey Rate you would still be making money off the money you loaned me and I would be able to stay in my home”
“Let me get this straight, you want me to reduce the money I”m going to make so you don’t have to pay me back for something that you promised to pay back?”
“Yes.”
“I’ll give this, you have balls. But Mrs Gee, we don’t give free stuff to people in this country and you … “
“I’m not getting anything for free though, I’m getting something at a 6% interest rate for 5 years and then an increase of 1% until it matches the prime mortgage rate, that’s extra money for you off of your investment. I know this is non-tradional, but the biggie lenders are seeking out and cold calling their borrrowers and offering this to them in an effort to keep people paying on their loans and not defaulting on them. JP Morgan, Citigroup and WellsFargo all are using the program voluntarily. Which the FDIC hopes that all lenders will follow.”
“Mrs Gee, this program doesn’t benefit me in any way so why would I offer it to you?”
“But it does Mr. Soprano. I will be paying you back on your loan instead of not paying you anything and that is a benefit to you.”
“No, a benefit is when I get something out of what I put in, why would I reduce the interest rate to such a small level when I can make double that leaving it what it is now?”
“Mr. Soprano, you won’t be making double anything if I default on this mortgage, with this plan you will atleast get your investment back plus 6%.”
“Yeah, but I want 13%.”
“..and I want wishes to flow from my ass like raindrops, but I’m willing to let that dream go if I….”
“What did you just say?”
“nothing….”
“That’s what I thought. Look Mrs. G, as I said, this plan isn’t for your type of loan, I will send you the loan modification papers that we have always used and you get me everything on the requirement list, if you don’t have something, write a note explaining why you don’t have it and then take it to a notary and get the note notarized. Do this for each individual item, you can’t just make a blanket note covering all the things on one paper. After we receive this paper work from you, we will pull your credit report and if your credit is above average, we will go from there.”
“You would rather get nothing than get something.. “
“That’s the gist of it, yes.”
“Can I ask why”
“Because I do not believe anyone should get a free ride, I worked hard to get where I am at and if I can do it anyone can. If I reduce your interest rate I will be losing 7 points and I am not in the buisness to lose money, a 6% return is not good enough when a year ago I was getting 13%.”
“..and 6% will seem like a butt-load of money when you are getting zero.”
“Oh, I will be getting something..I will get your house.”
“Not right now you won’t. Now you’ll force me to file bankrupcty and while we are dragging that process out for 6-9 months you won’t be getting anything, and when congress approves the plan to allow bankrupcty judges to re-work mortgages into the FDIC plan, I will start paying you back your money with a 6% return on your investment”
“That won’t happen, you forget I have more money to spend on lawyers than you do..Pussy will be there to collect my return shortly”

He’s right of course, it was my responsibility to repay him the money he loaned me at the rate he charged. I have done that each and every month but now, through no fault of my own, I can’t keep paying 65% of my income out to one creditor. To give me and the millions of others like me this plan is not giving us scumbags something for nothing. It’s just smart buisness. According the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, the average foreclosure costs $77,935 while preventing a foreclosure runs $3,300.
When the best interest for all is to take a little less than you hoped to get.. isn’t something better than nothing? Especially when to do so cost pennies that can be put back on to the borrow compared to tens of thousands that can’t be put onto to anyone other than the lender.
I guess not…
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November 29th, 2008 at 8:40 am
See? That was worth a day off! Why…I think I’ll play moron and buy another ban hammer and ban you for another day just to read one more of your blogs! Of course, I’ll have the ballz to tell everyone about it when I do.:)
Good work!
November 29th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
[...] The Mortgage Meltdown Crisis; something really is better than nothing. “Mr. Soprano, I’d love to have Pussy for dinner, but while this plan is only mandated for Fredddie,Fannie and IndyMac, many other major lenders are following the same plan. The FDIC is recommending all lenders, including private ones … [...]
November 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Howie,you have no idea…. I was up til 5am writing some stuff…. and I’m proud of those 18 pages so far… :)
I need to find a way to keep the creativity and the bored tho b/c I can’t search the bored when I’m banned and theres an assload of great links there that I’m too lazy to google…. HA!
November 29th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Based on a true story? I doubt they will want to do much for you until you have missed a few payments. I wouldn’t want you to do that.
November 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
the hope is to stop it before it gets that far…
November 29th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
As usual, excellent work. I wish you luck in this mortgage morass.
November 29th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
If this place won’t play ball…couldn’t you get one of the places that are being nice to possibly refinance.
I realize that would more than likely make it less of a sweetheart deal but just a thought.
Of course that’s also assuming that if you paid it off like that, Tony would have an early pay off reduction in interest…
November 29th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Fafa
no… I can’t re-fi into another mortgage b/c the value is down just like everyone else’s..and my payment history is sloppy so I couldn’t re-fi into a good rate..additionally, the hoops to even get credit right now are just too high for me to jump thru..
December 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
When my sister’s fiance passed away, she was left with a house payment she couldn’t afford. She contacted the bank quite a few times to try and work something out with them and each time the response was “sorry, there’s nothing we can do.” Finally, she decided to go ahead and voluntarily have the house foreclosed on to try and protect her credit as much as she could. After the paperwork for the foreclosure was filed, then the bank contacted her and said, “what can we do.” Since the bank didn’t find it necessary to do anything until they were actually about to get the house back, she went ahead with the foreclosure. Now, there is a problem with being foreclosed on; if the bank can’t sell the house (and it must be sold at no less than fair market value) for what they have invested in it, they can sue you for the difference. My sis got fortunate and even though the house didn’t sell, in fact, I think it still is for sale, she finally got a notice from the bank a couple months ago stating she was clear of the house (no lawsuits).
December 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
I’m glad it worked out that way for her…. but it’s too bad they wouldn’t work with her before it got to that point..
the biggie lenders are pretty much doing the plan I laid out, it’ s the private ones who are holding back…. I get their side of it, I really do…. it’s hard to swallow that a year ago they were getting 13% interest and now they’re being asked to take 3%…. the lawyers want to win the fight with the homeowners and the buisnessmen want to win for the money…… what neither has come to terms with yet is that if the laywer or the businessmen ‘win’ their prize is an unsaleable house, a loss of their investment, and money out of their pocket for the foreclosure costs…
that’s not a ‘win’ IMO… a win is for them to get their money back… and if that means taking 3% instead of 0… well, 3 is better…
If these private guys don’t start doing this on their own, Congress will pass a law allowing bankruptcy judges to re-work the mortgages.. just like they are allowed to with auto-loans…and if a judge sees that a homeowner did as much as they possible could while the mortgage guy didn’t budge a pennny…. well that 3% might seem like a dream to the mortgage guy…
it’d be better all the way around for both parties to work together….
we’ll see tho…
Thanks for reading and sharing Jimmy :)