Lying to bend the truth..
Written by ekg on September 5, 2008 – 8:50 am -Sara Palin? Why is she lying?
What’s your religion?
Christian.
Any particular…?
No. Bible-believing Christian.
What church do you attend?
A non-denominational Bible church. I was baptized Catholic as a newborn and then my family started going to non-denominational churches throughout our life.
Does she subscribe to the Bush theory you can say whatever you want and no matter how many cameras record you saying or doing the opposite, no one will care or question you?
Why do we allow this from our leaders.
Today, I brought up all the lies from Palin’s speech and someone replied “Well, they all lie”… And What!?! That makes it ok?
Palin was baptized as a teenager in Alaska at the Wasilla Assembly of God, which she and her family attended until 2002.
“The fact is she has grown up and has associated with one of our Assemblies of God churches, which is a Pentecostal church, for years,” said the Rev. Bill Welch, superintendent of the denomination’s Alaska District. “Pentecostalism is bound to have some kind of impact and influence on her.”
This is not made up, make believe, fairy tales. Just like the AIP membership there are records,witnesses and videos of her support and of her speaking at the church.
Why is she lying and why are we letting her? There are videos of her own words, videos** of active members applauding her as a member. Why are we letting her lie?
The Rev. Ed Kalnins, senior pastor at Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, once questioned in a sermon whether people who voted for Democratic Sen. John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election would get into heaven.
Unlike most other Christians — including most evangelicals — Pentecostals believe in “baptism in the Holy Spirit.” That can manifest itself through speaking in tongues, modern-day prophesy and faith healing.
Is this why she is lying? Is she ashamed of her church and their practices ? Obviously she is not ashamed of her pastor
Her pastor for most of her time at Wasilla Assembly of God, Paul Riley, said he gave the invocation at Palin’s inauguration. As governor, she renamed the church’s street “Riley Avenue” for him
Look, if she wants to disassociate herself from the Assembly of God, OK. We still have our choice of religion in this country but, don’t lie about it damnit. Don’t tell us that you have been going to “non-denominational churches throughout our life.” It makes you like you are trying to hide something.
But maybe that’s the goal.
Really? Pray for it because it is God’s will?
The war in Iraq is God’s plan?
When did God tell you this? Does he speak to you like he speaks to George Bush?
Come on! This is not fair! Why does God only speak to the Republicans?
“I told Congress, thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere ,” Palin told the cheering McCain crowd, referring to Ketchikan’s Gravina Island bridge in Alaska.
The truth is, she wasn’t even in office to be able to congress ‘no thanks’ and besides that…she supported it and when she got into office, kept the money congress gave Alaska to build it!
But Palin was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it.
The Alaska governor campaigned in 2006 on a build-the-bridge platform, telling Ketchikan residents she felt their pain when politicians called them “nowhere.
No thanks indeed.
Ironically enough, McCain used the bridge as he example of ‘pork-spending’
While running for governor in 2006, though, Palin backed federal funding for the infamous bridge, which McCain helped make a symbol of pork barrel excess.
not only that, but after the Minnesota bridge collapsed, McCain said
“Maybe the 200,000 people who cross that bridge every day would have been safer than spending $233 million of your tax dollars on a bridge in Alaska to an island with 50 people on it.”
Why are we letting her lie?
“I can do my part in working really, really hard to get a natural gas pipeline, about a $30 billion project that’s going to create a lot of jobs for Alaska. … [but] I think God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that,” she said. “I can do my job there in developing our natural resources, in doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded. But really that stuff doesn’t do any good if the people of Alaska’s hearts aren’t right with God.”
Why is God a part of her energy policy? If Alaskans hearts aren’t right with God, then he won’t help the energy crisis? What?
I love God, but I love God my way. My God doesn’t say that if my heart isn’t right, then my Florida Power and light bill will be too high.
Why is God part of her foreign policy?
“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”
Yes! Pray for our soldiers that McCain wants to leave in a war for the next 100 years. Pray for them that they will be safe. But pray for our leaders and that they are following God’s plan? Pray that our leaders are sending our soldiers out to war on a task from God?
Is it time for another crusade already?
Come on people, I know she’s a pitbull with lipstick but she’s also a liar.. And she’s the worst kind of liar. She uses her God when it benefits her, throws him away when it doesn’t and then evokes his name to sell her idea of war and energy.
People? Do you need the Republicans to win so bad that you will just say “so what?“ to this? Are you that partisan? Are you that faithful? Are you that hypocritical? What are you doing? What are you doing?
PUMA? You love this woman? This is who you choose to get into office if you can’t have Hillary? A woman so anti-Hillary that it’s almost like God planned it that way. Are you not ashamed? How can you say “I’m a Clinton supporter and Palin is my girl” Do you think Hillary would slap you on the back and agree with you? I too was a Hillary supporter, I too believe she is still the best candidate for the job, but she is not in the running anymore and I have to deal with that grief. But I will not vote for the ‘anti-Clinton’ candidate as part of that process because to me it was never about the vagina. To me it was about the person and who could do the better job. Yes I know it was stolen from her, you only have to read my past blogs to see that I totally agree with you on that front. But I was never in it just because of the vagina and anyone of you that are supporting Palin, just admit that that’s all you cared about to begin with. It had nothing to do with Clinton, it had to do with electing a woman and any woman would do. Admit the truth and stop lying to yourselves because you can’t sit there and be for both of them when they are polar opposites of each other.
Then again, Palin has pretty much come on the scene with nothing but lies…so maybe you guys have found your kindred spirit.
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** two days ago I linked a video of an AIP meeting where the Vice Chair spoke of Sara Palin and of her membership to the AIP. In it he said
“Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There’s a joke, she’s a pretty good looking gal, there’s a joke goes around we’re the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. [b]She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town — that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along — she eventually joined the Republican Party,[/b] [b]where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership
Interestingly enough….. that video has since been removed from Youtube. What is she hiding, why is she lying and why for the love of God, are we letting her?
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Maybe I’m the one who is the schizophrenic psycho (yeah)
Written by ekg on September 2, 2008 – 8:33 pm -President Palin do you do solemnly swear that you will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of your Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States?
Sure, it could happen. John McCain isn’t as young and healthy as he once was. Chances of him becoming incapacitated or dying while in office are exponentially increased because of his age. I’m not saying anything that we all haven’t thought. So yes, President Palin could be standing along Pennsylvania Ave with her hand on the bible taking the oath of office and leading this country with all her wisdom and vast political experience, before any of us, including and especially her, are ready for it.
The right wants to point to the fact that this is a make-believe fairy tale. They counter that there is also a chance that McCain will live and she will learn while on the job, but Barack, well Barack will be the one who is actually in driver seat on day one if he gets elected.
Fair enough. I can’t argue that.
Palin is the only one on either ticket who actually Governed.
Fair enough. I can’t argue that.
It’s also fair enough that Palin is a beautiful, charming, no nonsense, tough as nails woman who took on her own party when she saw corruption. By all accounts she’s a down to earth, full-on red-blooded American sweetheart. A true-blue patriotic American sweetheart who was once part of a party that since 1970, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaska to secede from the nation.
Whoa… Whoa.. Whoa…… What?!?
The Alaskan Independence Party (AIP) is a party that was founded by a goldminer who was fiercely proud of his state, doesn’t want to be buried under the American flag and wants Alaska to secede from the United States. From October 1995 through July 2002 Todd, Palin’s husband, was a member of AIP. In 1994 Sarah Palin was also a member and they of even attended the state wide AIP convention in her hometown of Wasilla.
Now that’s my kind of patriot. That’s the person I want standing on the lawn of the White House, in a pretty dress-suit, with her beautiful family surrounding her and looking on as she takes the oath of office. I wonder how that works though. Is she taking the oath of office for this country? Or for the country the AIP wants to create when Alaskan leaves the Union.
The man who founded the Alaskan Independence Party, Joe Vogler had this to say about America
“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I’ve got no use for America or her damned institutions.” …
“The fires of Hell are glaciers compared to my hate for the American government.”
AIP’s leader is also on record as saying that members “must infiltrate the other two party’s” and “push for ‘Alaskan independence‘”. Well, I guess you can check that off the “To do” List.
If Jeremiah White’s words and actions painted Obama as unpatriotic, then what does the Palin’s own action paint her as?
There are other things in Palin’s past that are sure to come out in the coming days. But with the allegations of her abuse of power, her teenage daughter pregnancy and marriage, her ultra-short time in office, the republicans have been stripped of running on experience, family values, ethics and now patriotism. How can they give any speech on any of these issues with Palin waiting in the wings?
On the other side is a controversy that if proven could rock the chance of Obama to enter the White House. On the Republican side, the Vice Presidential candidate was a member of a group that doesn’t want or even like, the United States of America.
Only in America..
To be fair, The McCain camp has since denied this whole thing. But of course they would have to. Imagine the judgment issues had he not known about this and the teen pregnancy issue. Of course he is the maverick, maybe he did know about both and went for it anyway.
But whether he knew about it or not, AIP members do know and they say that the McCain campaign pushback that Pain was never part of the AIP is “hooey.” and “..like a cat covering up crap in its litter box”
It will be disputed whether she was an actual member or not. Since her husband was for 7 years though, does it make it any better if she wasn’t? It didn’t matter that it was Barack’s pastor who said those awful things. His judgement and his patriotism were called into question for his association with Rev Wright. So can we use this against Sara Palin the same way? In and of itself, I don’t think so. My husband and I have very different political views so I wouldn’t want to be judged by his. But we also have her judgment for not supporting those explicit sex-ed programs. For not supporting abortion even in the extreme case of rape or incest, and then bad judgment call of trying to get her low-life brother in law fired when she became governor.
In and of themselves, none of those things are enough to disqualify her from the 2nd most powerful job in the world. But taken as a whole… they should give one pause. The also all beg to question, if John McCain knew about all of this, what was he thinking and if he didn’t, why the hell not! If he would put such a person on his ticket who the MSM has uncovered more dirt on in the last 5 days than they were able to for the last 18 months on Barack, why in the hell would anyone trust him to run the oval office? How could you trust any person he would pick to serve at his pleasure?
We had a maverick in office who put people in jobs as he saw fit, whether they were qualified or not and we saw how that work out, (heck of a job, Brownie)… So do we really want another one?
What a bizarre political crossroad we find ourselves at this year.
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Checking The Tickets
Written by lilmike on August 29, 2008 – 11:30 pm -Watching Hillary Clinton bring an end to the roll call vote during the Democratic convention had several thoughts go through my mind. First off, it looked like the Obama team wanted to make sure Hillary knew she was beaten by rubbing her nose in it. Bad doggie! I also thought of an executioner who tells the condemned, “Yeah, go ahead and you put the noose around your neck.” Amusing? Sure. A little sad? Yeah, that too. When she stopped the roll call vote, Hillary probably knew she was well and truly fucked, but I didn’t get how fucked until today.
I was taking a shower after working out and was thinking about Hillary (believe me, this had to have been the first time I thought of her while I was naked) when it suddenly struck me like a bolt of lightning, “I’m out of conditioner!” But after that, another thought occurred to me, Hillary lost her one good shot at being President. That is something that she was no doubt aware of as she called off the roll call vote.
Consider: If Obama/Biden wins in November, and has a fairly successful Presidency, he’s in for 8 years, and Hillary doesn’t get a shot until 2016. However, she is going to have competition: Joe Biden. Biden is a man who has lusted for the Presidency for decades, and has made no bones about his ambition. Biden is 65 now, and will be 73 in 2016. Age is not quite the issue it used to be. McCain is 72 today and still in the running. Biden has a 90 year old mother, so maybe long lived genes run in his family.
So in 2016, Biden will have been the long serving Vice President, the establishment, standard bearer for his party. That would be an uphill battle for Hillary. So barring some crazy political upheaval, Hillary’s only chance of being President is if Obama loses in November so she can hit it in 2012 with a big fat I told you so. I suppose she could be content with being a New York Senator and fighting the good fight from the senate, but I’ve always thought the senate was a stepping stone, not a destination for her. As a PUMA representative said on O’Reilly tonight (and I’m paraphrasing here), if Hillary had the top spot and Obama had the number two spot, that would guarantee 16 years of Democratic control of the Presidency. Now it’s guaranteeing 16 more years of Republican control of the Presidency.
Well, at least there is a bright side.
I think Obama’s chances for winning the top spot are a bit better than the downcast PUMA rep gives him credit for. But for some of these women, they have no one to vote for in November.
This brings me to the workout that led to the shower that led to the Hillary epiphany. Yes, I’m telling the story in reverse order. Pretend it’s that too clever by half Seinfeld episode when the gang went to India. Or if you want to get pseudo highbrow, pretend its Slaughterhouse-Five.
I was at the gym on the treadmill when McCain introduced Gov. Palin at Dayton. At our gym we have a bank of TV’s across the wall for all of the treadmill and elliptical machine users to stare mindlessly at, just as if we were all at home on the couch. Normally, I’m listening to my podcasts on my mp3 player, but watching the action on some of the TV’s I decided to unplug from that and plug into the jack on my treadmill to get the audio from one of the TV’s carrying the Palin speech..
I’m almost ashamed to admit it, but the first thing I thought of was, “Damn, she’s hot.” Not something I ever thought I would say about a potential VP choice, particularly after 7 plus years of Cheney. I had never heard of Palin until today, but I had to say, she gave a good speech. That’s important. In politics it doesn’t matter how bright, knowledgeable or witty you are if you can’t communicate it.
It became clear, at least to me, that McCain was seriously going after the Hillary supporters. Particularly with this line from Palin’s speech:
I think as well today of two other women who came before me in national elections. I can’t begin this great effort without honoring the achievements of Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, and, of course, Sen. Hillary Clinton, who showed such determination and grace in her presidential campaign.
It was rightly noted in Denver this week that Hillary left 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling in America. But it turns out the women of America aren’t finished yet, and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all.
So thanks, Hillary, for ramming your head again and again into that glass ceiling. It should be loose enough now for Sarah Palin to push through. But that’s always the way isn’t it? Moses didn’t cross the river Jordan, and Jesse Jackson, who has been the go to guy for every racial grievance for the past few decades, is never going to be President. Other’s get the rewards for sacrifices that the pioneers make. I guess that’s why it’s called sacrifice.
Hillary supporters are not monolithic. Most of them, after the bruising primary battle, dusted them selves off and like good soldiers supported their party’s nominee. Some, like the downcast PUMA rep on FOX tonight, couldn’t. Others will grudgingly vote for their party in November, and some won’t be able to bring themselves to. And some, for the first time in their lives, are finding their party’s candidate so unacceptable they are thinking of voting Republican.
Crazy election times we are living in.
Earlier this morning…
I was at home at work when I heard on the radio that Palin was McCains VP pick. Sarah who? I clicked on the TV and channel surfed the news channels to try to get some info on her. I didn’t really know what to think. I knew that for Republicans, who McCain selected for VP was important, and if it wasn’t the right type of person, it was a deal breaker. McCain was on iffy terms with many of his party as it was. Trail balloons of him selecting Lieberman or Tom Ridge had enraged the Limbaugh’s and Hannity’s of the Republican pocket universe. McCain had a multitude of bad choices and only a very few good choices. I myself thought he would go with Romney, a man he personally despised but who might settle down the right wing of the party (paradoxically, since Romney as Governor had been more liberal that any other Republican running, but that’s another story).
What I quickly gathered about her: governor, mayor, NRA member, hunter, blunt, son in the Army, all made me think it was a good pick. Not one I saw coming, but clearly one to shake things up.
Of course she could turn out to be friends with a terrorist, or have some sort of crazy preacher, and that could sour the deal. But at first blush, she looks like a good VP pick, and one I wouldn’t mind seeing in Maxim.
So now the two tickets are, in a weird way, balanced. They are both “historic” in the sense that no matter who wins, it’s going to be the first something. And you have inexperience but great ability straddled with experience, just flipped on each of the tickets. Biden, as the adult, is sitting in the backseat and letting the kid drive, and wizened McCain is driving Miss Sarah in his model T.
Just a thought, but I think I might plan to take the day after election day off so I can sit up all night, eat my finely buttered popcorn, drink my beer, and blog away as the returns come in.
This is going to be the best election ever!
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I’ve got spirit. Yes, I do! I’ve got spirit. How ’bout You?!
Written by ekg on August 21, 2008 – 1:57 pm -How gracious of him.
The Justice Department said Wednesday that in light of requests from members of Congress for more information, Mr. Mukasey would agree not to sign the new guidelines before a Sept. 17 Congressional hearing.
How very gracious that the Attorney General would wait to sign the new guidelines for the FBI and their new investigative plan. The plan by the way allows the FBI to open an investigation, conduct surveillance, pry into private records and take other investigative steps “without any basis for suspicion.”
Yep, you read that right. “Without any basis for suspicion”
In a letter to Mukasey, Senators Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, Edward M. Kennedy said that this new plan “might permit an innocent American to be subjected to such intrusive surveillance based in part on race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, or on protected First Amendment activities,”
What are we doing?
Why are we allowing this.
Look, I get that we were attacked by extremists on 9/11. I watched in horror and sadness just like everyone else did. I was angry and wanted revenge on the people who were behind the attack, just like everyone else did.
I know they attacked us because the loathe us and our way of life. They loathe that we allow our women to live freely. That we worship a different God than they do. They loathe our laws and constitution that protects it’s citizens. They loathe us for having the choices we have, the democracy that we are built on. They want to crush that which makes us what we are.
But they didn’t. Yes the 9/11 attacks were shocking and horrible to watch. They ripped a hole in our hearts and our lives that will never heal. They humbled us. But they did not beat us. We still worked on 9/11. We still went to school, the grocery, the soccer fields. They devastated our sense of security..yes. But most of all,they didn’t beat us.
They pissed us off.
But in the infinite wisdom of our esteemed President and his gang. They took out that anger on the wrong people. They didn’t take our anger out on the Saudis.. They took it out on the Iraqis. They didn’t take it out on the Bin Laden family, they took it out on yours and my family.
Osama won. We have less ‘freedom’ today than we did on 9/10/01. Because of ‘fear’ and ‘anthrax scares’ the Patriot Act was rushed in law. Less than 2 months after being attacked, a bill was thought of, written, edited, copied and signed into law. A bill that gave overwhelming powers to those in charge of protecting us.
And we cheered.
Did you know that law enforcement can use Truly Nolan to search your house for them and that if they find something you can be arrested. I don’t mean that they can walk into your house and see a vat of meth cooking and then call it in. I mean that while they are spraying in your cabinets,behind your sink, around you refrigerator….you know, stuff law enforcement would need a search warrant for, now they can get around that and just use your ‘pest-man’.
I’ve already talked about warrantless search and seizure, warrantless surveillance, nonviolent protestors being labeled terrorists and detained as such. Detainment without representation, acknowledgement or even family notification. No one listens. No one cares. These things are here to protect us, they are in place to keep the terrorists from striking again. This is a new war, a new age, an age where we have to fight differently and give up just a little bit of our freedoms in order to win.
Really? Has history not shown us what happens when people in authority get too much power? Has science not shown us how normal people, given the chance to rule others , abuse that power?
Once again, in the name of safety… This administration is enacting a new policy that will save us from terrorism. The plan is…. They can investigate who they want, how they want, whenever they want…. All because they want to. Clear suspicion is not even needed. Don’t you get that? Doesn’t anyone see how insane this is, how dangerous this can be under the wrong ‘power’?
They won’t even need clear suspicion anymore. Clear suspicion is.. There are 2 people in the house, Bill and Sue. Sue comes home after being gone all day and the lamp on the table is broken. There are no animals, there was no natural event and there was no one in the house other than Bill. The clear suspicion to Sue is that Bill broke the lamp. This new plan says…. There is a broken lamp at Bill and Sue’s house. Johnny, who lives 3 doors down was home during the day and can be investigated. Johnny can have his phones tapped, his house searched, medical and financial records searched and detained without an arrest warrant.
And in the name of safety, we cheer.
As Larry the cable guy says….. What the hell is this, Russia?
Yes Larry…. Yes it is. But don’t fret. This is what we need to be safe and to save our society. Of course to be safe and to ensure that ’they’ don’t win, we have to kill our constitution and strip our population of it’s rights. But if it saves just one building… well, it’s worth it.
I’ve heard the excuse that in times of war we must sacrfice and do things that we normally wouldn’t do. To those people saying this I have a question. When will it end? The war on drugs has been going on since the 80’s and there is no end in site. So how long do you think we’ll have to give up these rights? 20 years? 30? 50? And when it’s over, when we have done what no other society in the history of the world has done and have rid the world of religious extremism… Do you really think the powers that be will just give up the power we’ve given them?
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
It’s such a simple concept, but it makes you a conspiracy theory nut if you believe it.
I… am not cheering
Orwell is not cheering…
Osama Bin Laden…..is cheering.
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The offer some didn’t refuse…
Written by ekg on August 13, 2008 – 8:10 am -I keep hearing about the sub primers and what low lifers they are. How they should have never been trusted with a mortgage in the 1st place. How they deserve what they get for trying to buy something they couldn’t afford and frankly, it’s starting to piss me off.
Owning your own home is something everybody in the country wants to do. Some people wait until the time is just right, they have the perfect job, the perfect car, the perfect ‘other’ and they go out and look for the perfect home. I say Good for them! Good for them for waiting and doing it the better way. These are the upstanding people who are meant to own a home. Because we know from history that these type of people never fail right? It’s only the lower echelon who fail and drain the economy. The low income, low credit score, eternal ‘renters’ are the ones who get foreclosed on.
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What is it about a sub primer that they just can’t keep up with their payments? Some of them did bite off more than they could chew. But isn’t that part of the American way? We see something we want and we go after it until we get it, whether we can afford it (or even need it) or not. Sure there were those kind in this whole mess, but that’s not the case for all of them. Some of them were suckered into an initial low payment that ballooned to double that amount in 24-48 months.
The ‘perfect’ person sits there and asks “well didn’t they know they wouldn’t be able to afford that balloon payment?” The answer is yes of course they knew, but guess what. One of the real culprits here, the shady mortgage broker (who works in conjunction with the crooked sub-prime lender, who works with the dishonest appraisers and the title companies) told these people it would be ok. See they told them that in 12 months they could re-finance out of the sub-prime rate and into a conventional mortgage with a lower APR and a lower monthly payment. The best part, that house prices were on the move upward so when they refinanced their home they could get an additional $10K-$15K to do what they wanted with.
Who wouldn’t sign those papers?
Some were undoubtedly able to do this. Even though they were from the lower income and status levels, they were able to refinanced to a better loan. But sadly, others got caught in a system that was designed to fail them.
Here is how mine worked.
Yes, I am a sub primer. Not because I am poor or destitute but because I have a credit rating of about -20. With no medical insurance and two kids, medical bills pile up fast. Plus try getting things off your credit report that didn’t come from you but from some kind of ‘mistake‘. Or try getting things that you did in 1991 off your report. Yes I know, after 7 years they are supposed to be removed….. HA! Right. Tell that to Equifax.
I had lived in my house for years, paying the mortgage on it for the man who owned it for years. I paid the taxes, insurance, mortgage.. He had signed everything over to me giving me total and free reign of the place when I moved in. It was a pretty good contract, I was covered legally and financially and since I couldn’t buy the house because hubby was still on work-comp (and that was a complete cluster-fuck in it’s own right) it was a good deal. Fast forward many years and we decided it was time to just buy the damn house. Our credit sucked but I figured…. What the hell, it doesn’t hurt to call a mortgage broker does it?
Well, no it didn’t and yes it did.
After two “no’s” from conventional mortgage companies, our broker finally said that were could try to go with a ‘hard money loan’, the easiest way to explain this is… we borrowed money from Tony Soprano. Neither of us were worried though because the payments weren’t that bad, the interest not all that terrible, we weren’t doing the balloon payment and like the broker assured us, in a year we could refinance into a conventional loan.
Here’s why that didn’t happen. When you sign these hard-money loans they don’t tell you about the pre-payment penalties and fees that can go up to $30,000. Ok, they do tell you there will be fees, but the assure you they are nominal. $20,000-$30,000 in fees though would eat away at any equity we’d put into in 12-24 months. So for that reason alone, refinancing in the first 12-48 months out of the question.
But that’s just the beginning.
See when you don’t make your payment on time your interest goes up to 18-20%. Some would say, well get your payment in on time. Right, jeez why didn’t I think of that. Hard money lenders sell your ‘note’ to each other, it’s not unheard of for your ‘note’ to be sold every month to someone else. What is the problem with that you ask? Well just this… who do you pay?
When you send your payment into the guy who has your ‘note’ this month 15 days later you get a letter or a call from the new guy asking for his money. Now you have to go to the old guy and get your money from him so you can send it to the new guy, but the old guy doesn’t have your account anymore so he can’t find your payment and it will take a couple days to check. In the mean time your interest is bouncing upwards and the new guy is screaming for his money. What happens if he can’t find it in time? Now you have to come up with another payment or go behind in your payments. That mean late fees and if you’re late enough, lawyer fees until ultimately…foreclosure. You did nothing wrong, you made your payment, but since you are a lowly subprimer….you are screwed.
Luckily I never had that problem. I couldn’t imagine the hell that would be. I live in my own hell, but it’s not as bad as not knowing who to pay every month.
Here is how mine works. I pay my mortgage on or about the 1st of the month. I send it via USPS with a tracking number (the best advice the title company gave me, yes it cost more than direct deposit or a stamp, but you’ll see why that extra cost is worth it). I write my account number on the check and staple it to my payment coupon. Then I send it off. Around the 10th or 12th I’ll start getting calls and letters in the mail asking for payment. Around the 15th I’ll start getting foreclosure threats by phone, email and snail. During this, I’ve checked, not only did they get and sign for the payment, they’ve taken it from my account. So I call the president of the company (yes, I am on speaking terms with the president of my mortgage company. ) anyway, I call him or email him and say “Hey, I paid you here’s the proof” He emails or calls back and says “we’ll check”. Now for the next 7 days or so, while they are ‘checking’ I am getting 4-5 threatening letters/emails and calls a day saying they are hiring attorney’s, that I’m going to lose the house … blah blah blah. (These all make for a great home life by the way, I recommend everyone who has bad mouthed a subprimer, deal with this for just one month.)
So, after not hearing anything for another day or so, I start making my own numerous calls and emails asking what the hell is going on. Finally by about the 24th day or so , just in time for the next payment, I’ll get an email saying “oops”.
Blink
Blink
Oops?
This has gone on every month for almost 2 years now. Why haven’t I refinanced? Well here’s the best part. I’ve racked up thousands in late fees because they can’t seem to credit my account the day I make my payment. The entire time they are telling me I didn’t pay and they are looking for it, I am racking up daily late fees at 18%. Add to that the $20,000 pre-pay penalty and the shitty housing market and maybe you can see why.
June was a doozy. I made my payments. In July I was told that I still owed June. I said “Um, no I don’t. Here is the payment, the date you took it and the person who signed for it” The answer, Oh well some of that was applied to your late fee so you have a balance left over. I called the president again, “I don’t have any late fees because I’ve paid on time” … He looks and tells me that yes, I have late fees because my accounts were not credited on time.
Blink
blink
“Ok, so how much do I owe for June.” His answer,“I don’t know, I’ll get back to you.” I have since paid an additional $300 for June and have been told that is not enough, I need to pay $291.00 more. No reason, no substantiating this debt even after 3 certified letters asking for a breakdown, nothing. In the mean time, I get emails,phone calls and letters daily threatening foreclosure and legal action. I have no idea what I am supposed to pay or what that payment is really for, they are in essences engaging in extortion at this point.
I have an attorney and we are looking into lender liability and fraud. With the receipts, records, calls, emails, not to mention the ulcer and emotional distress I probably have a pretty good case.
I am not a stupid person. I don’t do things half assed and without question. I read what is sent to me, I call and ask ‘what the hell’ when I don’t understand. I stay in contact with my mortgage company. But there are people out there who don’t. They are afraid for one reason or the other. It can be intimidating talking to people like that. At one time I refused to make another payment until they figured out a better way for me to do it. I was sent a stipulation telling me to sign this deed in lieu of foreclosure and then agree to pay off my back late fees at $300 a month + my mortgage over 12 months.
The best part was if I didn’t pay the fees off in that 12 month period they would sign the deed and take the house.
The best best part, you do the math. $300 a month for 12 months doesn’t eqaul $35,000 does it. See if I didn’t read and question everything I would have signed and agreed to something that is mathematically impossible.
How many people are to scared to argue? How many people aren’t educated enough to read what was sent to them? How many people have access to free legal and can ask “hey, is this right?” ? Judging by the subprime meltdown, I’m going to say not too many.
So the next time you want to call a sub-primer a subhuman think about my story. We are a two-parent working family. We make decent money and have decent things. Sure we have shitty credit but we didn’t deserve the butt-fuck we got and continue to get because we wanted to finally own the house we’d been living in and turn it into our home.
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Tags: appraisers, balloon payment, Credit, economy, foreclose, foreclosure, low credit, low income, mortgage broker, pre-pay penalties, sub primer, sub primersPosted in MucheDumbre, Proper Gander (a skewed view) | 9 Comments »
Poor Innocent Activist
Written by lilmike on August 7, 2008 – 4:50 pm -Normally I just subscribe to the Sunday edition of the Orlando Sentinel. Like most Americans, I get much of my news from television and the internet fills in the gaps. So I don’t usually have the time or inclination to fool with a regular Monday through Saturday subscription. However leave it to my wife to answer the phone one day (I’m going to have to put a stop to that) and agree to a seven day subscription to the Sentinel. The extra six day subscription was free, which if it’s any indication, probably means print newspapers have maybe five years left.
So why do a feel burdened by a free subscription? I dunno, some sort of OCD maybe. I feel compelled to go through, if not read thoroughly, all of these newspapers hitting the side of the house at 5:30 am. Add a few days of working OT, being out of town for a week, and some really good quality television, and they start to pile up.
Really pile up.
I’ve had to cut my magazine subscriptions down to one, which I am still behind by seven months. With magazines my OCD is worse. I have to read every article. I guess this goes to my inherent cheapness. The newspapers are free, so I can skim them, but the magazines I pay for.
Gotta get my money’s worth.
But I can’t throw them away. OCD, remember? So they pile up…
But that leads to some interesting discoveries. After work yesterday I plopped down in front of the couch with the newspaper (I try to at least read the front page daily). One of the articles on the front page, How To Avoid Foreclosure, was about yet another victim of the housing crisis:
Carolyn Patmon has lived in what she calls her “modest little house” in Carver Shores for 38 years. At one point, she owned it free and clear. Then she took out a loan to add a sun porch. Because she was on disability and wasn’t working she was offered a mortgage rate of 14 percent.
Now for me, there are all kinds of things wrong with this, just in the first paragraph. Besides the obvious issue of how can you get a home loan when you’re unemployed and on disability, why would you even if you could when you can’t work? Does disability really pay that well? Luckily for Carolyn, help was on the way:
Because Patmon went to Orlando ACORN, a nonprofit community organization with chapters nationwide, she has been able to stop the foreclosure process and is working on having her loan modified to more affordable terms.
Yah! A happy ending! After the suspense of not knowing what was going to happen to Carolyn, it looks like alls well that ends well, and I can go on to the rest of the A section of the newspaper. But after finishing that, I’m lead to my pile. My Sentinel “archives” goes back almost a month. Great. But there is no news like old news.
The B section from July 9th was as good a place as any to start. After breezing through the story of the Dominicans who think they are Jews, I came across this one, Coalition Demands Health Before Profits. Gee I wonder what slant this article is taking?
A group of Central Florida community leaders and residents announced Tuesday that they will be part of a $40 million grass-roots campaign to push for affordable health care.
Yes, there is nothing like a bunch of “community leaders’ wasting millions on lobbying, rather than actually using the 40 million to help provide affordable healthcare.
“In our vision of health-care reform, the government works for us — setting and enforcing rules so that insurance companies put our health before their profits,” said Orlando resident Carolyn Patmon, a member of ACORN — Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — a nationwide community alliance.
Hmmm… where have I heard that name before?
Now I know the media in general is liberal. The people who are attracted to journalism to “make a difference” far outnumber the few who are merely interested reporting events. So I always keep that in mind when reading news articles. It’s not just “what happened,” it’s also, “what is the reporter’s agenda?” But I do hate being punked. And for the thousands of readers of poor foreclosure victim Carolyn Patmon, they were being punked, since the article made no mention that Patmon, whose home was saved by the intervention of ACORN, is also an activist for ACORN. Just dumb luck of coming across that other article, written a month earlier, clued me in on it.
I googled Carolyn Patmon, and yep, she definitely works for ACORN. She has been so busy representing the organization I wonder if it’s proper to represent her as unemployed. It’s clearly not proper to not disclose Patmon’s relationship to the organization.
I checked out the online articles comments and it’s clear that some readers of the Sentinel do know of Patmon’s relationship to the organization. I’m sure that will get out. The readers of those comments must number in the tens.
I’m glad Patmon kept her house, and if her association with ACORN had been disclosed in the article, I wouldn’t have had the case of the ass I got from discovering that by happenstance. But Patmon was misrepresented. The article was written long after Patmon had been active in the organization, and the writer of the article, whom I e-mailed, to ask, clearly knew of her relationship with ACORN.
There really isn’t anything to be done about it. It’s just a cautionary tale that you can’t take the Sentinel’s stories, or most newspaper stories, at face value.
Five years may be too long to wait.
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Where’s the street-wise Hercules to fight the rising odds?
Written by ekg on August 3, 2008 – 7:21 pm -What is going on!?! I have always been a middle of the road democrat. I fall on the liberal side for some issues and the conservative side for others. While I’ve never ruled out voting for a republican, I have only ever voted democrat. I have spent the last few years gorging myself on the Bush’s admin polices, actions, cronyism, incompetence and deceitfulness just to vomited out tirade after tirade about the illegality of the man and everyone surrounding him. I have taken criticism for speaking out against a sitting President and have been called unpatriotic because I asked questions and didn’t support the ridiculous answers given. I have become polarized against the GOP over the last 8 years because of the likes of Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Libby. For many millions of middle of the road democrats it has been a long 8 years, a tough 8 years hell, even a painful 8 years. But I have waited for the day when finally I get to do my part to rid the country of a Republican President and switch things up a little to help us get back a little closer to center.
So why I am looking at John McCain to be the next president?
What is wrong with this picture? I am attacking the only man who can bring about the change I so crave. I am attacking in the same way I attack Gonzales and his 72 “I don’t recall’s”. I am attacking him the same way I attacked Scooter Libby’s “The vice president told me to leak classified information to discredit Wilson”. I’m ranting about him the same way I ranted about “Good job Brownie”.
Why do I loathe and distrust the only democratic hope for president?
Because I know nothing about him. Well, I know that he will say whatever he needs to about any issue just to get votes. If your area doesn’t like off-shore drilling when comes there and gets in front of a TV or reporter he’ll tell you that he doesn’t approve of it either.
If your area seems to be ok with the idea, he’ll tell that well, he’s not really against off shore drilling.
If your for the rights of the people of the country and don’t believe the government should be able to do wiretap and listen in on it‘s citizens phone calls and the telecom companies shouldn’t get immunity, then he is with you. If you think that telecom companies should get retroactive immunity for illegally wiretapping the public and are for a bill that allows the government to keep on tapping it’s people, then he is with you too.
If you are against dirty politics in a campaign race and are just plain tired of the mudslinging. Obama is right there with you. In fact he doesn’t miss the opportunity to call people out for making things dirty. Of course it doesn’t bother him to go out imply that the only woman running has PMS when he said… ’periodically’ she has her ‘up’s and down’s’.
What is it about him that people support so whole heartedly. Yesterday’s headlines were, PELOSI HOLDING FIRM, BLOCKING OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING VOTE followed by “Obama shifts position on offshore oil drilling… *” If that is not the biggest slap in the face to Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats, what is? The FISA vote obviously wasn’t a hard enough slap because they just took it and kept going, so what will they do this time?
My guess? Nothing. What can they do. Dean and Pelosi did all they could to get one person out of the race that people knew everything about it in favor putting in the man no one, not even his ‘grass roots’ know anything about until he decides to tell them. But even that doesn’t matter because in the next town or the next speech he’ll just change his mind and tell those people what they want to hear. Even his pastor told us he would do that. Why nobody believed the man’s spiritual adviser to him and children for 20 years is still a mystery to me.
How can I vote for a man that has no one stance on any issue? Whose only accomplishment so far is that he can read a script off the teleprompter and make me believe him the same way Heath Ledger read his script and made believe he really was as evil as the Joker.
Maybe that’s what it is. In our fast-food, Hollywood celebrity sycophant society, we are drawn to the one who gives us the best ‘after school special’ speeches. We don’t have to hold him to those speeches and promises, because it’s TV and this is just a role he’s playing and like any good actor he can say what he wants and we forget what he just said the last time we saw him. Just look at Kevin Costner’s speeches in Bull Durham
and JFK
See, we can believe both depending on what ‘role’ he’s in. We don’t have to know what he truly stands for, we just have to believe in him.
The sad fact is we didn’t know anything about Obama when this all started. But he could sure talk. We threw out the people who had been around, who were known to the world, who policies and ideas and votes we could track and trace. We wanted flash and pizzazz and we got it. The republicans tried to do the same but ultimately chose the one with a past and a congressional record that is as long as War and Peace. Funny how the Democrats mocked them for this. Mocked the GOP for thinking they could put an old man with a 30+ year public past up against the new and fresh no-name from Chicago.
What I wouldn’t give now for someone with an actual stable record. Someone I can trust on Thursday to say the same thing on Friday.
Obama isn’t Presidential because of his senatorial voting, his political history, his 300 advisers, his “meet the Messiah” world extravaganza… he’s presidential because he watched “Jeb Bartlett” and learned how to give a good “episode ending, goose-bumpy” speech. So let’s reward him for that. But let that reward be an Oscar or an Emmy and save the Oval Office for someone with an actual plan.
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Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Obama is. You have to see it for yourself.
Written by ekg on July 24, 2008 – 9:25 pm -Why is McCain even wasting his time and the party’s money. Sure the polls put him pretty much dead even with the Messiah, but c’mon…Hillary was close too. In fact Hillary wound up beating the Messiah only to be questioned every single night “why is she in it” “what does she want” “when will she quit” “what, does she think she can win” “she’s dividing the country” blah blah blah until she was finally tossed away and forgotten like a cheap whore… Didn’t McCain pay any attention? Or has he just forgotten?
Dude, why don’t you just retire already.
Why don’t you just stop your campaign and go back home.
You can’t win.
Hillary won the popular vote and where is she?
It doesn’t matter if you win the popular vote McCain. The electoral vote will go towards the Messiah and they count more than us little people who can‘t decide for ourselves who we want to lead us.. Just like the super-delegates votes counts more that the regular delegate.
McCain, you’re doing nothing but making a mockery out of the Republican party. The mighty-mighty Republican party, the party of Reagan for God’s sake. The longer you stay in the race, the more divided this country will be. But more than that, the more you will hurt the GOP. Your little stunt yesterday? You know, where you thought you could go up against the Messiah and the media? Remember? What? One reporter was there to look at you? One whole reporter. What did you think, that the media would care? HA! They had the Messiah’s 3-pointer to cover. And today? While the Messiah was giving the sermon from the mount, did you really think anyone at that German restaurant cared that you were there? Hell no they didn’t. The chosen one was speaking and all must show reverence and ululate and then genuflect or else the Messiah will leave us. Didn’t you watch any of the Hillary vs. Messiah race?
Speaking of race….. Lance Armstrong? Really?…. Um, he’s like stupid. What ever happened to Chuck Norris. Did you know that Chuck Norris once challenged Lance Armstrong in a “Who has more testicles?” contest. Chuck Norris won by 5.
Did you know that there are no steroids in baseball. Just players Chuck Norris has breathed on.
On his birthday, Chuck Norris randomly selects one lucky child to be thrown into the sun
So where is he?
Oh…. My….God.
Now I understand….
Now I see …..
The Messiah ate Chuck Norris.
I know… ridiculous right? Sadly it isn’t. It’s the truth (well, the messiah didn’t really eat Chuck Norris). Any day now the media will begin to question why McCain is even running. The same media that is now making a mocking of their own coverage over the soon to be anointed one. Hell they are already rejecting his op-ed’s until he can make it more like the Messiah’s.
They know what they’re doing..but that isn’t stopping them from acting like 12 year old school girls backstage at a Jonas Brother concert. McCain should have seen this coming and prepared better for being the sacrificial lamb. Then again, did anyone see all of this blind devoition coming? Sure there was adoration for the Messiah when he was up against the Clinton machine. But did anyone see this… “invasion of the body-snatchers meets Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson-like cult love”?
The scariest part of this is that this fervor is no longer found in fringe journalism or local media. This is coming from the 3 biggies, CBS,NBC,ABC. The granddaddies of all news media have now been assimilated. Resistance is now futile. There will be no more investigative journalism when it comes to the Messiah. No story on earth will make the Granddad’s go against the Messiah. We saw what happened when the administration we have now had free reign from the media. Only now, not only is the media involved, the entire world is backing this man. The world wants him as president. (yes, that is a real website)
We’re fucked……. We are so fucked.
But what if the Messiah doesn’t live up to … Wait…what am I saying, it doesn’t matter if he lives up to anything.. He hasn’t done anything to live up to and look at the mania surrounding him.
I’ve asked so many times…. “What has he done in his political or personal life to show that he deserves this and can be the leader then entire world wants him to be?” I have yet to get an answer. So I have a new question, one that I hope will get an answer and make my life so much easier and ‘flower-y’… Where the hell is the punch bowl? I want to be blinded by a semi-precious smile and a great (when rehearsed 1000’s times) speech giver. I want to be assimilated to save my sanity….. So where in the hell is my blue pill?
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A Consensus of Wrongness
Written by lilmike on July 20, 2008 – 3:58 pm -Breaking news: The Surge worked.
Actually it’s not so breaking. The results have been apparent for several months now. Civilian casualties are down, military casualties are down, and acts of violence in general are down. Iraq is no paradise, but on the other hand it’s not quite the hell on earth that could have safely described it in 2006. It’s hard to argue now that it was the wrong strategy, so let’s take a look down memory lane and see who opposed it eh?
Senator John Kerry: “The simple fact is that sending in over 20,000 additional troops isn’t the answer–in fact, it’s a tragic mistake. It won’t end the violence; it won’t provide security; …it won’t turn back the clock and avoid the civil war that is already underway; it won’t deter terrorists, who have a completely different agenda; it won’t rein in the militias.”
Kerry’s fellow Democratic Senator from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy, declared the surge, “an immense new mistake.” Kennedy actively tried to fight sending any more troops.
Senator Christopher Dodd, former Presidential candidate and onetime threesome partner with the previously mentioned Senator Kennedy: “We don’t need a surge of troops in Iraq–we need a surge of diplomacy and politics. Every knowledgeable person who has examined the Iraq situation for the past several years–Baker and Hamilton, senior military officials, junior officers–has drawn the same conclusion–there is no military solution in Iraq. To insist upon a surge is wrong.”
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer (really, is that his real name?), when asked is she was worried that the gains of the surge might be lost if the troops were removed too hastily, “There haven’t been gains, Wolf…The gains have not produced the desired effect, which is the reconciliation of Iraq. This is a failure. This is a failure.”
Governor Bill Richardson, former Presidential candidate and yapping Vice Presidential wannabe had this to say on the surge: “The president is wrong. We don’t need anymore troop surges, we need a diplomatic surge. We must get all our troops out of Iraq as soon as possible.”
Senator Joseph Biden, yet another former Presidential nominee, and currently running for either Obama’s Vice President or his Secretary of State, whichever will put him in front of the cameras the most, told this to Secretary of State Rice on the surge: “We heard a plan to escalate the war, not only in Iraq but possibly into Syria and Iran as well…I believe the President’s strategy is not a solution, Secretary Rice, I believe it is a tragic mistake.”
And of course Senator Hillary Clinton, who tried to play the man in her ultimately failed Presidential race against Senator Barack Obama: “Based on the president’s speech tonight, I cannot support his proposed escalation of the war in Iraq…The President simply has not gotten the message sent loudly and clearly by the American people, that we desperately need a new course. The president has not offered a new direction, instead he will continue to take us down the wrong road, only faster.”
There was some Democratic support however. Senator Lieberman said this in support of the surge: “it’s just unfair to our troops implementing the surge, to Gen. Petraeus, who helped create this totally different strategy — which is working — to essentially pull the rug out from under them, to take away their reason for fighting before they even have a chance.”
Oh wait, Lieberman is an independent now. Although he caucuses with the Democrats he is regarded as traitor. Quite a fall from being the Democratic Vice Presidential candidate 7 plus years ago. But I don’t want to make it sound like only Democrats opposed the surge. There was some Republican opposition as well.
Retiring fence sitter and amateur historian Senator John Warner had this to say, “Young men and women of US forces and coalition forces should not be caught in the crossfire of a civil war prompted by who should have succeeded Mohammed in — what is it? — 650 AD?”
Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel, who teased the country on his decision to think about deciding to consider whether to entertain the notion of running for President, had this to say: “This is a dangerously wrong-headed strategy that will drive America deeper into an unwinnable swamp at a great cost. We cannot escape the reality that there will be no military solution in Iraq.”
But right now, the opinions of those who matter most are the two Presidential candidates, John McCain and Barack Obama. Come January of next year, no matter who wins, George Bush will be packing his bags and whatever White House towels he can get away with. As he leaves, his policies leave with him.
McCain’s views on the surge are well known. In fact, you could argue that he risked his political career on the surge. But what did fellow contender, Barack Obama have to say?
Before the surge: “It is clear at this point that we cannot, through putting in more troops or maintaining the presence that we have, expect that somehow the situation is going to improve, and we have to do something significant to break the pattern that we’ve been in right now.”
After the surge was announced: “I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq are going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse.”
Of course you will have to look a little bit for Obama’s earlier comments now. He scrubbed his website to clear out his previous anti surge comments. Now, guess what? The surge worked: “In the 18 months since President Bush announced the surge, our troops have performed heroically in bringing down the level of violence. New tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda–greatly weakening its effectiveness.”
Hey, anyone can be wrong. It’s possible that someday I might be wrong about something. It’s not likely, but never say never. But it’s stunning when an entire political party is wrong about something so important. The Democratic Party and the mainstream media was as one on the idea a year and a half ago that the surge couldn’t work and shouldn’t be tried.
In this election, Barack Obama isn’t running on the experience card. McCain has that locked up. He’s running on his judgment. Because he opposed the war on Iraq, he is somehow supposed to have better judgment? Sean Penn opposed the war too and he thought it was a good idea to marry Madonna. His supposedly superior judgment had him opposing the surge too.
It wasn’t judgment that had Obama opposing the war, it was the reflex of the anti-war left. The same reflex that had him oppose the surge. I’m still waiting for an example of his good judgment.
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The Hills have ayes…
Written by ekg on July 17, 2008 – 4:37 pm -Rumors have been swirling that Obama,Dean and Pelosi are trying to negotiate Hillary’s name off of the ballot at the Convention next month. It seems they don’t mind her being on the ballot as long as it’s as a symbolic, roll-call gesture . They want her name on the ballot, they just don’t want placed on the ballot for nomination.
Neither Obama nor Hillary won enough votes to secure the nomination. Obama may have 390 more of them if all the super delegates who pledged to him actually vote for him at the convention. But with his shine getting a little a duller and with 18 million voters voting for Hillary, having her name as a nominee on the ballot and having to listen to all her delegate vote for her would make his ass pucker. All it would take is for her to have prime placement in the speeches and just knock it out of the park. The amount of delegates she has and the problems with his incessant flip-flopping could remind the delegates that she really does have a damn good chance of beating McCain. If she, or Bill were to remind them that her poll numbers against McCain were better than the 46% he and Obama share now…. Who knows what could happen and that’s why he needs to get her of the nominating ballot.
So what can he do about that? Well he can use his political influence to make sure that she is taken off the ballot as a nominee and placed there just as his symbolic 2nd. He’s done this before. Obama only likes to win when he’s uncontested. When Alice Palmer, the former state senator who picked Obama to be her successor back in the mid-90s wanted back on the ticket, he had her kicked off. The problem with Hillary is that there is no legal reason to have her bumped off the ballot. More than that though, if her voters aren’t allowed to vote for her then it’s game on and party unity my ass.
It would be quite embarrassing to Obama if there was a open-air-stadium-like response to Hillary getting on stage and giving a blow-out speech.. This is his shining moment and Hillary can’t be allowed to outshine him once again. But at the same time, Obama wants to project a ‘party-unity’ that just isn’t there. In order to keep that faux-appearance, Hillary just can’t be on the ballot and steal the sunshine from his over-whelming, ever engorging ego. It would ruin his grand plan to take over the world.
Don’t think he has a plan?
Ha-ha Ha-ha Ha-ha
He’s going to give his outdoor stadium speech on the 45th anniversary of MLK “I have a dream” speech while being the 1st nominee to give an outdoor speech since JFK did it in 1960. Yeah, someone is a little full of himself huh?
Here’s the thing. I don’t really give a rat’s ass if it’s embarrassing to Barack Obama. His people screamed like little bitches that Michigan shouldn’t count because he wasn’t on the ballot when they are the ones who took him off. So could you imagine the screaming and race-crying if there was a plan in the mix to get him placed on the ballot as a token 2nd choice? I think Motley Crue, The beatles and Charles Manson had a prediction for that scenario called “Helter Skelter”
This Manson predicted scenario is really just one wrong move from happening as it is. If the press caves, if Obama misteps in such a way that it just can’t be ingored we might have to call Charlie “profit” instead of whack-o-nut. But it would take alot to make the press go against the messiah I mean have you read a story on Obama? The other day there was a story that comics can’t even make fun of him, in that story the writer says
“But there has been little humor about Obama: about his age, his speaking ability, his intelligence, his family, his physique”
Is he Adonis or something? Maybe he’s Jesus? Or maybe he’s the reincarnation of Budda himself .
Jon Stewart tried to make fun of him, but met resistance from the audience. He had to tell them “You know, you’re allowed to laugh at him.”
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm ….Did Jim Jones’ followers ever laugh at him?
Every week I decide I am going to have to swallow my hatred and get on the ball and get the bad stuff out about McCain. Because there really is a lot of stuff out there….. I mean look at this response to a question about his surrogate saying that some health insurance will pay for viagra and not birth control and women would like to have the choice (response at about 5:00).
Could you imaging him being asked a really important question? HA!
Anyway, every week I want to change. I hope that I can finally sit down and do something positive about Barack or if not positive then something about McCain. But every week Barack tweaks my ire with something else and I completely forget about the crazy old man that might just be our next president and I shouldn’t.
This man is just as dangerous and the other one.
How in the hell did we get these 2 “unelectables in a sane year” as our only 2 choices?
Three words
George W Bush.
Yes, that’s right. What kind of liberal rant would this be without putting some kind of blame on Bush? But it’s true. The DNC figured that no matter what and no matter who, they had this election in the bag. The republicans could clone Ronald Reagan and it wouldn’t matter. George Bush fucked this country up so bad and didn’t give one shit about it that anyone running as a (D) would win.
Look say what would want, but even McCain knows this and is doing everything in his power to avoid being linked to Bush.
So the DNC is all it’s wisdom gave us…. No forced upon us.. A liberals wet-dream. No the wet-dream isn’t a woman… No-no… the true liberal wet dream is a good looking black man. Harold Ford jr would have been my choice, but his skeletons have already been vetted out so a no name senator would have do. Hopefully he could get the nomination and election before they were weeded out by the press. But if not, what to do?
Then, a “Karl Rove like” idea was formed.
Anytime anyone dissed this candidate, scream racism.( Which as you know is the liberal kryptonite.) Scream it at every charge and eventually no one will make any more charges and if the do they can be put off as people who just don’t like blacks.
Howard Dean may not have known about Obama deciding to do the open-air stadium rapture until he saw it on the news, but he damn sure knows his liberals.
The problem is liberals don’t just sit silent and fall in with the party-line because the party wants them to. But to silence them forever Dean and his subordinates can only do one more thing to ensure the nomination goes to the exalted one. Get Hillary off the ballot at the convention.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I hope The Denver Group accomplishes it’s goal. Because Hillary may be an old school politician, but she is still better and saner than anyone else out there. The question is though, are more and more people with the power to do something about it paying attention?
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